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Saint
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PostPosted: November 23, 2009, 07:51:40 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, Ken3D and Mr. White.

That you for you pictures and comments, this is something unexpected and therefore very valuable. iZ3D, inc has started investigation about this issue. I'll let you know about the root cause of such problem and possible solutions shortly.


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rajkosto
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PostPosted: November 23, 2009, 08:31:41 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have the orange tint and rotation problem as well
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Ken3d



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PostPosted: November 23, 2009, 11:23:49 AM    Post subject: New glasses Reply with quote

Hi Saint

Thanks for your reply.

I would be happy to take more example shots and upload them if you like. The effect of rotating the left lens around 30 degrees CCW makes a big difference to me and I don't think the effect is subjective - as the photos demonstrate. The effect is there with both Gordon and Dude - maybe it's the monitor I have.
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ssiu



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PostPosted: November 24, 2009, 06:11:56 PM    Post subject: Re: New glasses with Stereoscopic Player Reply with quote

Ken3d wrote:
I received my new glasses and have tried them out with Stereoscopic Player (1.4.8 )...


Is Stereoscopic Player 1.4.8 using old iZ3D algorithm for old glasses, or new algorithm for new glasses? Perhaps we need newest version (1.5.2) for new algorithm? (There is only one iZ3D setting -- no separate "iZ3D 2007 glasses", "iZ3D 2009 glasses" settings in Stereoscopic Player.)
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yuriythebest
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PostPosted: November 24, 2009, 10:38:16 PM    Post subject: Re: New glasses with Stereoscopic Player Reply with quote

ssiu wrote:
Ken3d wrote:
I received my new glasses and have tried them out with Stereoscopic Player (1.4.8 )...


Is Stereoscopic Player 1.4.8 using old iZ3D algorithm for old glasses, or new algorithm for new glasses? Perhaps we need newest version (1.5.2) for new algorithm? (There is only one iZ3D setting -- no separate "iZ3D 2007 glasses", "iZ3D 2009 glasses" settings in Stereoscopic Player.)


from what I understand it uses the new one

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BlackQ
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PostPosted: November 25, 2009, 12:57:27 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is always better to use latest version for both Stereoscopic Player and sView
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Saint
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Location: Moscow Russia

PostPosted: November 25, 2009, 01:13:32 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssiu, you've asked a very good question.

First of all, I'd like to note once again that iZ3D algorythm that computes back and front screen images from left and right, is different for old glasses and new glasses. One should only use old algorythm with old glasses and new algorythm with new glasses. Any other combination leads to decreased S3D quality.

Second note, iZ3D Driver and viewing software work independently. Irregardless of what you set in iZ3D Driver Control Center, or even if you have iZ3D Driver installed or not, viewing software always uses its own builtin algorythms.

Stereosopic Player 1.5.2 definitely has builtin algorythm for iZ3D with new glasses. Previous Stereoscopic Player versions may have builtin algorythm for iZ3D with old glasses. I'm not quite sure which version was the first to have new algorythm, so I suggest you use the latest version. At this moment it is 1.5.2.

iZ3D MPC has builtin algorythm for old glasses only. So, if you want to experience new glasses, you should not use iZ3D MPC.

Last stable sView version, 0.4.0.9 of year 2008, only has algorythm for old glasses. There is unstable version of sView 2009, however it is very, um, unstable. Though, sView 2009 has algorythm for new glasses. You can try it at your own risk:
http://www.sview.ru/files/download/sViewSetup_v.9.9dev06.exe
Again, it is alpha version, so you're lucky if it works.

So, the bottom line is: whether you used iZ3D MPC, sView or Stereoscopic Player with iZ3D+old glasses, in order to use iZ3D + new glasses you need to install the latest version of Stereoscopic Player, which is 1.5.2 at this moment.


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Saint
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PostPosted: November 25, 2009, 02:09:38 AM    Post subject: DIY new glasses test Reply with quote

Ken3D, Mr. White and rajkosto,

I've designed a simple test for you to verify if the new glasses that you received are assembled correctly.

1. Take a pair of iZ3D glasses, put it on, close your left eye and look with your right eye only. This way you are looking through the 45 degrees in-plane polarizer, which is the right lens.

2. Take another pair of glasses - the ones that you want to test - and hold it as if you are going to put it on.

3. With your left eye closed and right eye open, tilt the pair of glasses that is being tested until the left lens of the glasses that are being tested turns black.

4. If everythign is OK, the left lens of the glasses being tested should look black when the glasses are tilted roughly 45 degrees to the left.

The whole routine is less complicated than it seems to be, I attach a couple of pictures that, I hope, easily explain it. Please let me know if I can explain the experiment more clear.

Please do this test and give me the tilt angle that makes the left lens of your glasses look black.


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rajkosto
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PostPosted: November 25, 2009, 10:15:51 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

that works, its 45degs
is the left lens supposed to be orangey on the sides, when looking at the monitor in 2d mode ?
http://i47.tinypic.com/2ccsfbb.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/oqg0h1.jpg
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Saint
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PostPosted: November 26, 2009, 05:55:59 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, rajkosto

Left or right lens may look orange-tinted or blue-tinted close to the sides, especially on Duuude glasses - lens curvature and tension are the reasons. However, when you put on the glasses, you are actually looking through the small central area of the lens which is tailored to work perfectly right.

Have a great Thanksgiving =)
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revenir



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PostPosted: January 05, 2010, 02:52:52 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there clip on versions of the new glasses? I was under the mis-impression that there were. These don't fit very well over my current glasses.
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imarun
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PostPosted: January 05, 2010, 09:28:29 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately there are no clip on versions available for the new glasses. But I hope they will be available soon since lot of people are in the same boat as you are. It is not very comfortable to wear iZ3d glasses over the prescription glasses.
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PostPosted: January 09, 2010, 07:55:49 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

we are working with our supplier for this - Saint has more updated info about it - but he is on vacation until Monday
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TidesN



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PostPosted: February 05, 2010, 10:46:19 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are these the new glasses from GUNNAR Optiks that I recently read about? I just ordered the IZ3D how can I tell if they shipped the old glasses or new ones?
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Welder
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PostPosted: February 05, 2010, 11:17:47 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote

TidesN wrote:
Are these the new glasses from GUNNAR Optiks that I recently read about? I just ordered the IZ3D how can I tell if they shipped the old glasses or new ones?

No, the GUNNAR Glasses are going to be additional premium glasses that will be available. Where did you order your monitor? An easy way to tell is if they look like these:

http://www.iz3d.com/3dglasses

Almost every site, iZ3D, Newegg, etc should have the new ones

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